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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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hello and welcome to the skeptic zone

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that's not Sean Connery or Craig

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Ferguson it's actually Richard Saunders

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trying to do is vague and pathetic

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Scottish accent because today on the

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show dr. AG interviews ash price and

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Kier little both involved in the

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Edinburgh skeptics want to know about

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the fringe want to know about putting

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together skeptical activities that one

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and all could enjoy want to know about

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drinking heavily it's all coming up when

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Ritchie interviews these characters from

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the UK now just watch out some of their

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accents I think you can cut it with a

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knife I think I understood that talking

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about hmm people people often tell me

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United States I can't hear it myself but

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you know that's the way the world works

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and following that we have a bit of a

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follow up you may remember last week

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Vera Schreiber and Bronwyn Hancock the

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audio of 60 minutes where they gave

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their rant about vaccinations well this

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week we pick up with the show and their

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mailbag section yes people wrote in to

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60 minutes to leave their comments and

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it's a brief clip of some of the

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interesting letters 60 minutes received

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after running that interview which we

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played of course last week on the

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skeptic zone then another clip from TV

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dr. ray cheese back she went on a show

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today tonight with our good friend

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reporter Frank pang gelo to do a story

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about ear candles yes ear candles don't

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buy some today the funny whack sticks

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you light and shove in your ear oh yes

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oh yes new ages that makes so much sense

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mind-body wallet festival about all five

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six years ago something like that and I

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remember thinking to myself at the time

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is there like a candid camera around

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here I couldn't believe what I

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seeing it seems so stupid guess what it

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was so stupid anyway listen to what dr.

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'he has to say in the report from today

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tonight then to wrap up the show we have

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another interview with a really

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fantastic guy Gary Kennedy food

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kennedy a couple of months ago we had so

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many people writing in saying how much

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they enjoyed that interview we thought

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we'd have a follow-up more food myths

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and great stories at the end of the show

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Maynard talks to Gary Kennedy and thank

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you for your patience yes I'm very busy

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these days are in production with a TV

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show coming up soon and a lot of my time

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is taken up with our meetings and being

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in the studio and endless pages of

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calculations it seems to me yeah lots of

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months the show may be a little late now

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and then I hope you understand but let's

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put ourselves in the mood for the

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skeptic zone the Scottish version and I

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with dr. Rachel Dunlop this week I'm

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talking to ash price and Kier little

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from the embryo skeptics society we're

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primarily going to talk about a festival

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that they've organized called skeptics

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week and one day fringe event which runs

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alongside the Embera festival from

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saturday the sixth of august to the 27th

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of august and there's all kinds of

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ash and key are also going to talk to me

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about their blog the 21st floor so here

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they are ash and Kia from n brew

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skeptics society ok so i'm here with ash

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price and kia little of both from the

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end bro skeptics society and we're here

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fringe which is a festival that runs

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alongside the n brew festival full of

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skeptical scientific magical sort of

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events and welcome ash and welcome care

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to the skeptic zone hi no worries so

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first of all let's just start with the

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embro skeptics society now ash I know

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that you're the president and the

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founder and here you're also a

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co-president is that correct and I think

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my official term is as chair which which

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is obviously an official sort of

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organizational term and kind of disgrace

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my rule in the ipods and pertwee the

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cheers you get this in the pub so yeah

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and so ash what what ddd put out the

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tables or harsher role in there in bruh

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day-to-day running of the society so

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contacting speakers arranging with them

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committee meetings and the lights we can

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progress and develop from what we're

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doing an organizational structure

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stuff don't you don't just do skeptics

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and skeptics under the covers and can

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you tell us a little bit about some of

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the events that you organize a skeptic

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about it because the book club skeptics

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something we we tend to do okay hey oh

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book clubs which are proved to be quite

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quite a head but it's more of a social

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atmosphere and more of a place where

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people can get together they can mean

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they can have read the book kulluk and

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and it's not like someone's giving a

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lecture and there's a lot more

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involvement and it's a lot more

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inclusive you over a cup of coffee I

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think this month are we talking about

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paranormal tea it also is our sponsor

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for the fringe and its really basically

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doing two and Ben and Allison who are to

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forward they do and they've really ran

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successes and it's you know it's thanks

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growing community and a number that's

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involved in things that allows us to

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open and if I they it's not in a pub

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atmosphere one of the criticisms are

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events tend to be in pubs which is great

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if you enjoy the pub atmosphere but

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families or young children you can't

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really his appeal iam really works so we

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society having this so let's talk about

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thousands of people in this very small

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performances there's magic acts and

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single potential impossible venue space

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bars in any way you can find it's

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everywhere it's absolutely fantastic it

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the arcsine throughout the world it's

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honed their talents here on the fringe a

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lot of actors will come in and do their

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first main acting roles so it's

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performance and an audience perspective

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so you guys had a genius idea last year

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which basically tell me why you decided

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but those people don't believe I'm real

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Scotsman anymore because I don't drink

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it's quick could you know i'd have to

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whiskey I when I joined I joined it over

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skeptics after and founded by and by ash

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became involved the society until he

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went back toes all right I didn't know

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realize he was involved okay yeah cuz

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he's in sydney now so i mean i got i got

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involved after one after i think the

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first-ever skeptic to get the camp and

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again that night off quite a lot of

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on and and I was I was quite a night

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that in August ever skeptics couldn't

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pay anything on because we can get a

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venue and the first year of sight of you

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nothing we can do about it and bring it

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the French wait are we trying to get a

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venue and we explored a couple of

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alcohol then i emailed a peep pierre

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free fringe and which is one of the

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to wake up with a bit of a hangover and

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have an email back saying I'm sorry I

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don't think that it's really for us you

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this is opera it's all about comedy and

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theatre and all this kind of jazz and

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pistols not the john is ridiculous just

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very keen rationalist and he said robin

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couple years now and called Carl Sagan

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is my god and Richard Feynman to which

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are all about science and he sort of bit

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my arm off and said yes yes you must do

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this here's your venue please please

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organize it if I die I seem to remember

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saying no this is a stupid idea we're

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not doing it stopping right now email

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him back I don't want to do this one

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really really silly please please please

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please no and I am so so glad that kick

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he ignored me and went ahead anyway it

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we started off wanting to just do

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skeptics in the pub every day so 22

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skeptics in the pub talks there's then

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game show called devil's advocate which

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itís Keaton nerves and then at a

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skeptics Ghost Walk as well that was

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kind of how we ran the first

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but it's such a learning curve for us

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never done anything this scale before we

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couldn't think of anyone who had done

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something of this scale before

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especially of for free as well and we

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were working flat out the extent where

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by two and a half way through the the

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run I by myself ill I'm just working so

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hard and so we've decided to double our

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efforts this year oh that's sensibly yes

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it's kiske yeah what kind of rubbing

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ourselves into the ground to say but

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this year that we're we're hey this year

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were well well served by we've got a

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fantastic committee behind us and he

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never if possible just give him a pitch

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out you know we got with Alison got

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their new but Stephen we've got Terry

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and we and we've got em you at all

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they're all fantastic and they're all

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pitching in and giving us help with also

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with the marvelous help of the Klees EDA

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warfare Adam egg quieren not sure if i

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pronounced his name clearly and the

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crazy dwarf on twitter yeah as you

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briefly mentioned devil's advocate the

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quiz show and you are doing that again

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this year oh yes can you tell us the

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format of that because that sounds like

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that sounds like a lot of fun devil's

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advocate is well it's a panel game show

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it's two teams of two and their

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questions around based on science logic

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skepticism geekiness and nerdiness so we

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have things like odd one out round and

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fact or fiction rounds we have a video

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round and there's a couple of

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interactive rounds as well because we

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tend to go with improvisers on the panel

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so we have a play or Zener cards right

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round where they have to interact with

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the audience to get which is n a card

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the audience members is using is holding

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and we've actually beaten the hundred

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twenty to one odds of getting five out

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of five senator pods correct on I think

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five occasions so we we had odds of

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something like 20 to 1 so clearly

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skeptics on our game show our psychic

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mms if Utley am at Parker and the stand

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up mathematician who did it twice in

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fact both times he claims by not

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cheating but you know if that stand up

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max on Twitter yes yeah okay and again

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here we're back again this year will be

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doing a

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an event with Helen Arnie and Steve mold

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calls festival of spoken nerd and

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that'll be that we do have got to show

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themselves outside of our run but

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they'll also be doing something with us

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join the skeptics on the fringe right so

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I'm also a shy believe you're doing a

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show where you're a psychic con man or

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you're teaching people how to be a

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psychic con man and and are you also

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attempting to win Randy's million-dollar

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challenge during that is that right

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exhales correct it's called how to be a

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psychic con man has a talk I've done it

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for several different organizations

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around the UK I always one of the points

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is and while obviously the Randy million

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you have to prove beyond a census to

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call chance you abilities so during the

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run of this show I always take those

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odds and and beat them I always have a

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room full of witnesses and we've never

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once been able to get any money but we

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will try yes I have to be a psychic con

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man is just basically looking all the

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tricks of the psychics and trying to

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beat the odds up for it by place like

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the random million another organization

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so we're looking all sorts of things

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like telekinesis and mediumship

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abilities and metal bending spoon

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bending Zener cards and all that jazz so

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professor Bunsen burner is a Mad

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Professor he's a time traveler and he's

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our leader for children's show stand

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back i'm gonna try science and basically

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what happened is there's been an

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accident throughout time and major

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scientific discoveries and inventions

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have disappeared and Bunsen burner has

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to take the kids back through time to

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find and rediscover all of these

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scientific inventions so you can put

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right what went what once went wrong

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okay so is that either of you guys or

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somebody else no no I'm writing it and

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I'll be directing but we're hiring

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professional actors in to play the cast

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in that right okay because you're

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actually you work in sort of magic and

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performance don't you out on you also

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run a skeptical Ghost Walk which you'll

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be doing as part of skeptics on the

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fringe won't you oh yes Ghostbusters

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skeptics on the mile I used to work for

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a ghost

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or in Edinburgh and so a lot of people

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would come along and say all what's that

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true and I'd know I'd know that the

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information wasn't necessarily as

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accurate as it could be and i want to

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say well now here's what really happened

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obviously working for an organization i

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had to just go oh well you know pinch of

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salt maybe don't know so i moved away

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from that I set up this goat skeptics

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ghost or called Ghostbusters and

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basically take people around the old

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town and we explain the ghost stories

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are usually told on the tour's but then

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we go into an explanation of what's

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actually behind them or what's actually

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causing them because a lot of ghost

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stories will be along the lines of old

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Hamish was walking by the norwalk one

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day with his little scottie dog and a

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ghost came out of the out of the water

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towards him and that's where the story

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ends what Zoe actually goes on and you

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explain exactly why he's experiences

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paranormal allegedly paranormal activity

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and you're doing it it's been doing a

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fun entertaining way we have to look at

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some of the legitimate investigations

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that have gone on to the alleged

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hauntings for example Richard Wiseman

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has investigated several locations

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around around Edinburgh so we mentioned

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those and we refute a few the myths of

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the city as well most popular one being

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greyfriars bobby a cute little dog who

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allegedly guarded over his master's

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grave for 15 years or so after he died

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and it's complete nonsense really so we

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just we explain all the myths in a fun

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and in no way they saying enough because

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there's this ghost tours in n bro are

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incredibly popular Utley I've got a lot

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of friends who backpacks through n brew

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and went on the ghost to us it is and

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were particularly haunted um what it

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makes a claim of being the most haunted

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city in Europe however interestingly

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this claim appears at the same time as a

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ghost tour craze started to take off

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convenient how the main 10 DS if you

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look at any surveys that have been done

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into the alleged hauntings of the of

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Europe it's nearly always York in

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northern England that comes out on top

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edinburgh rarely makes it to the top 10

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of UK most haunted cities and always

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never makes it into top 10 of europe so

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it's it's obviously something that's

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just come along as an opportunity to try

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and promote the ghost tour trade because

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there's a lot of old wonderful

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architecture and buildings and

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underground vaults and graveyards ahead

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and buy

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and it really is perfect for that type

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of entertain my only real problem with

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the ghost tours is that they don't draw

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a straight line between this is

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definitely entertainment in this is

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allegedly supernatural think I'm gets

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all mixed up together and I remember

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quite a few times feeling quite feeling

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not fantastic when people come up to me

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and say oh I experienced this in the in

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this haunted location or I experienced

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that and I know full well they haven't

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because I know what's going on in there

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and I know what part of the story is

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true and which parts aren't so people do

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tend to go away saying all I've

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experiences I've had this and it helps

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to support their own belief structure

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and promotes belief in the supernatural

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the power normal so some people to see

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it as just entertainment I see is a

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little bit iffy at best it is

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entertaining it is fun but I think if

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people would be more honest and open

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about it saying it was for entertainment

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I don't think it would particularly

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damage the into industry yeah no I agree

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with that and most of these events if

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not all the free is that right there

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will be we have we do have to do to be

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cute LOL STFU friend droplets on a

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donation basis and so there will be the

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roping a burly man with with a bucket at

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the back of a back of the room as people

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are filing out but it is completely

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updated when it comes along if they want

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to make a donation or if they're happy

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just to walk past having seen some great

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science and such great skepticism I

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missing a great show just what past not

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be no give anything towards the core so

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the only people are people fighting to

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do that I mean it's gone we are used to

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people being tight yes my boss is

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Scottish I understand that quite well

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are we allowed to see that obviously as

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course if ever I should said that that

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would that would have been probably

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illegal as animals passed in school

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Nigel but yeah we will have a bucket for

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the nations so you guys don't just do

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this you're also kiryu blog at the 21st

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floor and actually contribute to that as

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well don't you well because I was going

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to ask you about that you do take

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contributions to the 21st floor don't

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you and we take yeah we take submissions

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offer articles we in fact which makes

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encourage that as much as possible and I

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think I probably quite a bit of quite a

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bit on Twitter we accept submissions

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from anyone there's there's not

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is it for all the website nope if people

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send us their articles and we will have

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a look at them here can you give me the

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website address for 21st floor yeah it's

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a it's just www the 21st floor calm and

541
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as all all in words and this is a

542
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resource for skeptics in the pub groups

543
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and cafe science type groups to find

544
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speakers all information for sketches on

545
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the fringe is available at skeptics on

546
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the fringe co uk and we also have a

547
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Facebook page skeptics on the fringe you

548
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find out everything you need to find out

549
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about what we're doing there and we also

550
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have our regular page edimo skeptics top

551
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coat UK as well and ash what is your

552
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twitter handle my twitter handle is ash

553
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price and its price with a why and hear

554
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yours use my twitter handle is at

555
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endless sake if it's not this course

556
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like endless under school psych so guys

557
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this sounds like a fantastic thing that

558
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you're doing I can empathize with you

559
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that it's a lot of work you know I did

560
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organize a tam in Sydney last year and

561
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it sounds like you guys are completely

562
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overworked don't but it sounds like it's

563
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completely worth it and absolutely and I

564
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really hope I can make it one day to

565
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skip this on the fringe so thanks for

566
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joining us today on the skeptic zone

567
00:23:19,230 --> 00:23:05,470
thanks for having us yep thanks thanks

568
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this is desiree shell hosted skeptically

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00:23:26,919 --> 00:23:24,590
speaking check out our website it's

570
00:23:30,789 --> 00:23:26,929
chemically speaking calm and listen to

571
00:23:34,570 --> 00:23:30,799
us live on CJ sr 88.5 FM in Edmonton

572
00:23:43,120 --> 00:23:34,580
Alberta Canada I now return you to the

573
00:23:45,460 --> 00:23:43,130
skeptic zone and now he is the follow-up

574
00:23:48,700 --> 00:23:45,470
from last week's clip from the 60

575
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:48,710
minutes program we have their mailbag

576
00:23:54,330 --> 00:23:52,010
section where viewers to the show wrote

577
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in their letters and comments about

578
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anti-vaxxers Vera Schreiber and Bronwyn

579
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not much leaves me gobsmacked anymore

580
00:24:13,410 --> 00:24:09,640
but last week's report on immunization

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did he was given a death sentence I just

582
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wish good hearing how any rational human

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being can argue across the board against

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the procedure that saved tens of

585
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millions of lives worldwide many of them

586
00:24:31,410 --> 00:24:28,600
tiny babies is beyond me but there they

587
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:31,420
were last week in Ellen Fanning story

588
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immunity is achieved by going through

589
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the natural infectious diseases of

590
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childhood such as measles whooping cough

591
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mumps rubella so vaccines are dangerous

592
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and diseases are good exactly she's got

593
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her supporters immunization is an

594
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all-out attack on our immune system Bill

595
00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:55,000
Gates recently said vaccines are the

596
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best way to reduce the population the

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rich want to kill us talk about

598
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distorted Kate said nothing of the sort

599
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but that's a measure of just how

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passionate this debate has become you

601
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think messing with newborns immune

602
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system is a good idea use your brain 60

603
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minutes we did and so did you

604
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overwhelmingly diseases like whooping

605
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cough were virtually eradicated in

606
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australia until a wave of new age and

607
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immunization theories aggressively

608
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promoted by non-medical people and this

609
00:25:29,970 --> 00:25:27,400
veera scheibner has certainly lost touch

610
00:25:31,860 --> 00:25:29,980
with reality if she had her way we'd

611
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still have numerous preventable deaths

612
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amongst our precious Ozzy kids through

613
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now poking a burning stick into your ear

614
00:25:44,419 --> 00:25:42,749
doesn't sound like a great idea yet

615
00:25:46,789 --> 00:25:44,429
there are some natural therapists

616
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promoting this wacky practice using ear

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candles for health and well-being

618
00:25:53,210 --> 00:25:50,940
alarmed medical professionals say it's

619
00:25:55,519 --> 00:25:53,220
dangerous yet as Frank Bangalow reports

620
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these quack remedies are still being

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sold by chemists who should know better

622
00:26:09,769 --> 00:26:06,899
than to stock unproven treatments an ear

623
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candle is made up of cotton or linen and

624
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that's coated in paraffin or wax and

625
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then it's rolled up when it's warm

626
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allowed to harden and then put it into

627
00:26:20,659 --> 00:26:17,700
your ear and you burn the far end of it

628
00:26:23,389 --> 00:26:20,669
as far as health treatments go this one

629
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is what bizarre some Native Americans

630
00:26:29,450 --> 00:26:26,609
use it as a form of ritual there's a

631
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wonderful way to get rid of the excess

632
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wax and to help with sinus pressure or

633
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TMJ syndrome or migraine headaches I

634
00:26:43,340 --> 00:26:40,799
think they work they don't hurt you do

635
00:26:44,899 --> 00:26:43,350
feel a bit silly lying there with a big

636
00:26:46,549 --> 00:26:44,909
candle stuck out of your ear but

637
00:26:49,970 --> 00:26:46,559
definitely feels a lot clearer

638
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:49,980
afterwards Ellie chambers swears by ear

639
00:26:56,539 --> 00:26:53,129
candles she regularly uses them to help

640
00:26:58,009 --> 00:26:56,549
unclog her ear canals of wax definitely

641
00:27:00,499 --> 00:26:58,019
better than cotton bugs you're not

642
00:27:03,919 --> 00:27:00,509
poking and prodding around your ear and

643
00:27:06,169 --> 00:27:03,929
it gets a lot more wax out there's no

644
00:27:08,989 --> 00:27:06,179
evidence in all of science to show that

645
00:27:11,149 --> 00:27:08,999
ear candles work but dr. Rachel Dunlop

646
00:27:13,970 --> 00:27:11,159
from the Australian skeptics warns that

647
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ear candling is not only medically

648
00:27:19,940 --> 00:27:17,249
unproven it's also dangerous this was

649
00:27:21,830 --> 00:27:19,950
shown in a study done in 1996 where

650
00:27:24,169 --> 00:27:21,840
patients were coming to see ear nose and

651
00:27:26,629 --> 00:27:24,179
throat surgeons for things like burns

652
00:27:29,509 --> 00:27:26,639
from wax in their ears perforated

653
00:27:31,580 --> 00:27:29,519
eardrums and sometimes temporary

654
00:27:33,370 --> 00:27:31,590
deafness from hot wax dripping inside

655
00:27:36,460 --> 00:27:33,380
there is it's the most

656
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what worries doctors and specialists

657
00:27:41,950 --> 00:27:39,470
aren't natural medicine therapists or

658
00:27:43,750 --> 00:27:41,960
reckon ologist seeeeee like this one and

659
00:27:47,110 --> 00:27:43,760
promote the myth that the practice

660
00:27:48,910 --> 00:27:47,120
actually does you some good an econo

661
00:27:50,740 --> 00:27:48,920
lodge's someone who can't be bothered

662
00:27:53,290 --> 00:27:50,750
getting a proper medical degree or a

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science degree and charged money to

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potentially put people at risk and

665
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danger by burning candles in their ears

666
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a process called convection which is

667
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really the heat applied to the top of

668
00:28:08,140 --> 00:28:04,130
the candle acts like a little mini

669
00:28:11,980 --> 00:28:08,150
vacuum and it sucks the pollen the yeast

670
00:28:13,300 --> 00:28:11,990
and moistened earwax in fact scientists

671
00:28:15,700 --> 00:28:13,310
have done experiments where they've

672
00:28:17,170 --> 00:28:15,710
placed the candles over a machine that

673
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measures a change in pressure and

674
00:28:21,010 --> 00:28:19,520
there's no change in pressure so that if

675
00:28:22,780 --> 00:28:21,020
there was a change in pressure it would

676
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be so great it could burst during your

677
00:28:27,820 --> 00:28:25,970
job and one of the tricks used to fool

678
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:27,830
people is shown them the waxy residue

679
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left at the end of the burning process

680
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:32,930
now tests have been done on that residue

681
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:35,090
and in fact it's candle wax it's not

682
00:28:38,970 --> 00:28:37,010
earwax it's just a residue from the

683
00:28:40,990 --> 00:28:38,980
candle when it burnt there is of course

684
00:28:43,630 --> 00:28:41,000
inherent dangers in ear candling

685
00:28:46,330 --> 00:28:43,640
including traumatizing the external

686
00:28:48,370 --> 00:28:46,340
canals traumatizing the eardrum and have

687
00:28:50,620 --> 00:28:48,380
been cases reported of rupture of

688
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:50,630
eardrums in fact having wax in your ears

689
00:28:55,330 --> 00:28:53,210
is a good thing says that laid ear nose

690
00:28:57,820 --> 00:28:55,340
and throat specialist dr. Darcy

691
00:28:59,140 --> 00:28:57,830
economists most years are generally

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00:29:00,640 --> 00:28:59,150
self-cleansing and there's really no

693
00:29:03,910 --> 00:29:00,650
need to put anything in the years at all

694
00:29:05,980 --> 00:29:03,920
other than at most the corner of a soft

695
00:29:08,890 --> 00:29:05,990
towel to clear the acknow he warns

696
00:29:11,650 --> 00:29:08,900
against using ear candles and even the

697
00:29:15,190 --> 00:29:11,660
most widely used remedy cotton-tipped

698
00:29:16,870 --> 00:29:15,200
buds ear buds inserted will impact wax

699
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:16,880
or cerumen into the deep portion of the

700
00:29:21,820 --> 00:29:19,130
air canal moreover you can do

701
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:21,830
considerable damage to the outer ear ear

702
00:29:26,350 --> 00:29:23,930
drum and produce a significant hearing

703
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:26,360
loss if one traumatizes here with the

704
00:29:31,420 --> 00:29:28,850
use of earbuds ear candles are banned in

705
00:29:33,250 --> 00:29:31,430
Canada yet here they have the tick of

706
00:29:36,250 --> 00:29:33,260
approval from the Therapeutic Goods

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00:29:39,010 --> 00:29:36,260
Authority and you can readily buy them

708
00:29:41,380 --> 00:29:39,020
in many pharmacies but Rachel Dunlop

709
00:29:44,140 --> 00:29:41,390
says quack therapies like these

710
00:29:45,820 --> 00:29:44,150
shouldn't be there at all just because

711
00:29:48,039 --> 00:29:45,830
they sell it's not an excuse to

712
00:29:50,019 --> 00:29:48,049
doc them so if pharmacist start stocking

713
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:50,029
cigarettes is that okay too because they

714
00:29:55,029 --> 00:29:52,370
sell but if you're having ear problems

715
00:29:57,549 --> 00:29:55,039
dr. economist recommends you seek

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00:29:59,139 --> 00:29:57,559
professional medical advice that one

717
00:30:03,940 --> 00:29:59,149
shouldn't put anything smaller than your

718
00:30:05,529 --> 00:30:03,950
elbow and your ear well we do try

719
00:30:07,210 --> 00:30:05,539
several times to contact the

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distributors of ear candles for a

721
00:30:16,509 --> 00:30:08,870
comment but they didn't respond to our

722
00:30:21,730 --> 00:30:16,519
calls or emails this is an EVP I

723
00:30:24,340 --> 00:30:21,740
recorded last night I'm a ghost what's

724
00:30:27,100 --> 00:30:24,350
up you guys can't possibly ignore that

725
00:30:30,340 --> 00:30:27,110
type of it and who are you we're doing

726
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:30,350
my EVPs of the result of pareidolia I'm

727
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:32,330
cross modulation combined with the

728
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:34,490
listeners hopes and expectations what

729
00:30:41,470 --> 00:30:38,570
does this have to do with science you

730
00:30:46,799 --> 00:30:41,480
just got skipped a free phone well gotta

731
00:30:59,009 --> 00:30:50,909
skeptically poem jaja where's cream it's

732
00:31:03,680 --> 00:30:59,019
in the next year's may not spooky action

733
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:06,060
well last time we spoke to this guy it

734
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:08,050
was high summer and high summer means

735
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:10,330
food dangers because all the bugs start

736
00:31:15,090 --> 00:31:12,850
breeding cuz it's warm but now when the

737
00:31:16,650 --> 00:31:15,100
depths of winter here in the southern

738
00:31:18,780 --> 00:31:16,660
hemisphere and Gary Kennedy's in the

739
00:31:21,300 --> 00:31:18,790
depth so what do you elbow deep in food

740
00:31:23,790 --> 00:31:21,310
inspector wise this week Gary thanks I

741
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:23,800
can't talk to you about ah he's always

742
00:31:27,450 --> 00:31:25,450
got a secret agenda this is where the

743
00:31:29,700 --> 00:31:27,460
conspiracy stuff gets going you see Gary

744
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:29,710
but look as we were last talking in

745
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:32,770
January and that is the time for up bugs

746
00:31:36,420 --> 00:31:34,810
and things to breed in food we're in the

747
00:31:38,460 --> 00:31:36,430
coldest part of our time of the year at

748
00:31:40,410 --> 00:31:38,470
the moment so this should be the safest

749
00:31:42,630 --> 00:31:40,420
time for food is that correct yeah

750
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:42,640
generally generally food you buy friends

751
00:31:46,290 --> 00:31:44,290
from caterers or food you make at home

752
00:31:49,140 --> 00:31:46,300
because it's cold down here bugs don't

753
00:31:51,930 --> 00:31:49,150
grow as well and yeah so this must be

754
00:31:55,110 --> 00:31:51,940
pretty slow time for you then its flow

755
00:31:58,080 --> 00:31:55,120
in terms of microbiology but in your

756
00:32:00,120 --> 00:31:58,090
store foreign objects and chemical

757
00:32:02,550 --> 00:32:00,130
hazards and allergen still make the news

758
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:02,560
as a food inspector you're at a party

759
00:32:06,690 --> 00:32:04,930
you're going out somewhere you're at

760
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:06,700
dinner with people they ask you what you

761
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:08,890
do is it like a doctor as soon as you

762
00:32:12,990 --> 00:32:10,570
say you know you're involved in food

763
00:32:15,210 --> 00:32:13,000
safety do they go well tell me about

764
00:32:17,220 --> 00:32:15,220
those oysters is do people want free

765
00:32:20,130 --> 00:32:17,230
advice if they do and what's the most

766
00:32:23,220 --> 00:32:20,140
often asked question how do you tell if

767
00:32:24,870 --> 00:32:23,230
a restaurants good to eat at and and

768
00:32:27,930 --> 00:32:24,880
without going out into the kitchen how

769
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:27,940
can you sell my advice for anyone who

770
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:30,130
goes to a cafe or restaurant and wants

771
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:33,850
to know is to use the toilet usually the

772
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:36,010
cleanliness of the toilet is a direct

773
00:32:40,830 --> 00:32:37,930
correlation to the cleanliness of the

774
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:40,840
kitchen and the food so if you wouldn't

775
00:32:44,310 --> 00:32:43,450
be there don't eat there either let us

776
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:44,320
know again what are your qualifications

777
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:46,210
we aren't just talking to some guys

778
00:32:51,570 --> 00:32:48,850
making stuff up no no no I ever watch a

779
00:32:54,780 --> 00:32:51,580
bachelor science in food technology I am

780
00:32:58,440 --> 00:32:54,790
a registered food safety auditor poo

781
00:33:00,300 --> 00:32:58,450
toilets ecoli yes yes while it's quite

782
00:33:02,310 --> 00:33:00,310
in the southern hemisphere it's mid

783
00:33:05,070 --> 00:33:02,320
summer in the Northern Hemisphere and

784
00:33:06,690 --> 00:33:05,080
yes ecoli in Germany is the big news

785
00:33:08,610 --> 00:33:06,700
story at the moment in the food safety

786
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:08,620
world so do you think it's a plot to

787
00:33:14,190 --> 00:33:11,290
discredit the organic industry

788
00:33:18,510 --> 00:33:14,200
no not necessarily i think someone

789
00:33:20,610 --> 00:33:18,520
someone has stuffed up and how do you

790
00:33:23,610 --> 00:33:20,620
stuff up you just use human wastes for

791
00:33:25,590 --> 00:33:23,620
your manure well not necessarily human

792
00:33:28,410 --> 00:33:25,600
waste in fact this is more likely to be

793
00:33:30,510 --> 00:33:28,420
cow waste is likely to have been manure

794
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:30,520
at some stage has got into the system

795
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:33,850
you know because this ecoli bug often

796
00:33:38,250 --> 00:33:36,010
comes from cattle one of the hassles

797
00:33:40,470 --> 00:33:38,260
with organics is sometimes you get rid

798
00:33:43,980 --> 00:33:40,480
of the chemical hazard by pulling out

799
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:43,990
the chemical and you replace it with the

800
00:33:50,100 --> 00:33:46,810
poof so you get microbiological as its

801
00:33:51,570 --> 00:33:50,110
instead ecoli lives naturally in our gut

802
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:51,580
I mean I know it's not something you

803
00:33:54,210 --> 00:33:52,690
want to be eating but I wouldn't imagine

804
00:33:55,890 --> 00:33:54,220
it would be one of the most dangerous

805
00:33:57,810 --> 00:33:55,900
things what occurs we encountered every

806
00:34:01,080 --> 00:33:57,820
day don't know it can kill you the

807
00:34:03,690 --> 00:34:01,090
Garibaldi salami bug was ecoli there are

808
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:03,700
thousands of different eco lies just

809
00:34:06,690 --> 00:34:04,930
like there's thousands of different

810
00:34:08,610 --> 00:34:06,700
sorts of dogs their cells and four

811
00:34:11,010 --> 00:34:08,620
different eco lies and some of them will

812
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:11,020
bite you in some of them won't again

813
00:34:15,450 --> 00:34:14,050
space is in analogy so would we have any

814
00:34:18,390 --> 00:34:15,460
of these killer sprouts coming into

815
00:34:20,220 --> 00:34:18,400
Australia know what about Japanese

816
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:20,230
radiation getting into our food I

817
00:34:25,020 --> 00:34:22,330
actually for one I've actually i'm so

818
00:34:26,490 --> 00:34:25,030
paranoid I've stopped getting bits of

819
00:34:28,950 --> 00:34:26,500
sushi cuz I thought that's the seaweed

820
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:28,960
might have some radiation in it well I

821
00:34:32,370 --> 00:34:30,970
suppose good news on the seaweed is the

822
00:34:34,740 --> 00:34:32,380
seaweed you're getting is probably

823
00:34:37,140 --> 00:34:34,750
predates all of this so I'm getting

824
00:34:38,580 --> 00:34:37,150
stale Seward we're getting licked you

825
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:38,590
know the seaweeds not harvested

826
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:40,570
yesterday the flown on Qantas straight

827
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:42,970
into you though it's prepackaged

828
00:34:46,380 --> 00:34:45,010
probably made months ago is it getting

829
00:34:47,970 --> 00:34:46,390
tested I'm because I'm an incredibly

830
00:34:50,010 --> 00:34:47,980
paranoid I'm on the lookout for all

831
00:34:51,780 --> 00:34:50,020
sorts of things I'll be testing an

832
00:34:53,730 --> 00:34:51,790
irradiation of coming from Japan or

833
00:34:55,350 --> 00:34:53,740
should we even be doing that it's just

834
00:34:58,890 --> 00:34:55,360
an alarmist thing to be doing my

835
00:35:01,020 --> 00:34:58,900
understanding is and the skin this is

836
00:35:03,180 --> 00:35:01,030
what I know so you know for the skeptics

837
00:35:06,180 --> 00:35:03,190
out there here this is what I'm told by

838
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:06,190
the government is that the Japanese

839
00:35:11,310 --> 00:35:09,130
government is not exporting from certain

840
00:35:14,610 --> 00:35:11,320
areas there put bands in certain areas

841
00:35:16,380 --> 00:35:14,620
and the australian government does do

842
00:35:18,450 --> 00:35:16,390
random testing on product but

843
00:35:20,850 --> 00:35:18,460
radiological testing is actually quite

844
00:35:23,510 --> 00:35:20,860
unusual and quite expensive so there

845
00:35:24,710 --> 00:35:23,520
would be an additional test as far as i

846
00:35:26,690 --> 00:35:24,720
understand

847
00:35:29,210 --> 00:35:26,700
have been no additional requirements put

848
00:35:31,730 --> 00:35:29,220
on imported Japanese Caesar but there's

849
00:35:33,890 --> 00:35:31,740
very little imported japanese seafood

850
00:35:36,609 --> 00:35:33,900
comes into australia only seaweed

851
00:35:39,260 --> 00:35:36,619
because of course we're exporters of

852
00:35:40,910 --> 00:35:39,270
seafood to japan most of our case

853
00:35:43,070 --> 00:35:40,920
they're very little of their comes here

854
00:35:44,810 --> 00:35:43,080
except at seaweed and what about the

855
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:44,820
food that we find in two dollar shops

856
00:35:48,830 --> 00:35:46,890
and the interesting looking room

857
00:35:50,210 --> 00:35:48,840
temperature custard jellies we see on

858
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:50,220
the supermarket shelves that come from

859
00:35:53,690 --> 00:35:51,930
China with you know very

860
00:35:56,270 --> 00:35:53,700
interesting-looking labels and you can't

861
00:35:57,890 --> 00:35:56,280
ago hmm to door should you eat something

862
00:36:00,170 --> 00:35:57,900
from the two-dollar shop I always think

863
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:00,180
to myself should you put things into

864
00:36:05,510 --> 00:36:02,810
your body that are a two dollar shop

865
00:36:08,180 --> 00:36:05,520
well all of that should have been tested

866
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:08,190
it isn't know every single batches test

867
00:36:13,010 --> 00:36:10,770
but if it's made domestically it gets

868
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:13,020
inspected either by local councils or by

869
00:36:17,540 --> 00:36:15,450
state governments depending on what sort

870
00:36:19,609 --> 00:36:17,550
of product it is if it's imported

871
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:19,619
samples are taken by the quarantine

872
00:36:24,050 --> 00:36:22,050
inspection service and how often I mean

873
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:24,060
I mean as a percentage how much of the

874
00:36:27,530 --> 00:36:25,890
product will be distant again it depends

875
00:36:29,839 --> 00:36:27,540
on the product if it's something more

876
00:36:32,270 --> 00:36:29,849
risky like feta cheese it's going to be

877
00:36:34,670 --> 00:36:32,280
pretty much every patches tested so if

878
00:36:36,380 --> 00:36:34,680
it's something you know standard item

879
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:36,390
probably one in a hundred is all that

880
00:36:41,240 --> 00:36:39,210
gets tested one in 100 containers now is

881
00:36:42,980 --> 00:36:41,250
there any sort of labeling of something

882
00:36:44,900 --> 00:36:42,990
that we should be suspicious aab if we

883
00:36:46,220 --> 00:36:44,910
see it in the supermarket and should we

884
00:36:47,599 --> 00:36:46,230
really be bothering to read the labels

885
00:36:48,980 --> 00:36:47,609
anyway Gary I know you've spent a bit of

886
00:36:51,079 --> 00:36:48,990
time working with some of the big

887
00:36:53,839 --> 00:36:51,089
realtek retailers in Australia trying to

888
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:53,849
standardize their labeling and and how

889
00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:55,770
and by the way why haven't we got

890
00:36:59,780 --> 00:36:57,690
Braille on our labeling if someone's

891
00:37:04,160 --> 00:36:59,790
blind in a supermarket surely that would

892
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:04,170
help them I've never been asked before

893
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:06,690
beta and I'm asking us across our good

894
00:37:11,390 --> 00:37:09,210
friend Steve Horan with Casey the wonder

895
00:37:13,310 --> 00:37:11,400
dog I asked him how he goes shopping in

896
00:37:15,710 --> 00:37:13,320
a supermarket and he always has to ask

897
00:37:17,599 --> 00:37:15,720
people because the colors and labels are

898
00:37:19,910 --> 00:37:17,609
confusing for someone with limited

899
00:37:21,230 --> 00:37:19,920
vision and a lot of labels look the same

900
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:21,240
aetna often he's got home and he's

901
00:37:25,010 --> 00:37:22,890
bought a completely different juice or

902
00:37:27,890 --> 00:37:25,020
that is expected because you just can't

903
00:37:30,410 --> 00:37:27,900
tell and he said almost no labeling for

904
00:37:32,240 --> 00:37:30,420
a vision impaired people if there is

905
00:37:34,460 --> 00:37:32,250
virtually none there are no requirements

906
00:37:36,620 --> 00:37:34,470
the Lord just says it must be in clear

907
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:36,630
color contrast and an easily readable

908
00:37:39,540 --> 00:37:37,450
font

909
00:37:42,690 --> 00:37:39,550
and what do they call easily readable

910
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:42,700
font I've seen like font too yes I think

911
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:44,890
I wear glasses sometimes and I have

912
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:47,050
couple reading summit yes so how do they

913
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:49,570
say fonts readable I mean do this some

914
00:37:54,089 --> 00:37:51,490
guy called Dave oh and they show it to

915
00:37:56,310 --> 00:37:54,099
me goes over that well it's one of those

916
00:37:58,140 --> 00:37:56,320
things that the a triple feed looks

917
00:38:01,170 --> 00:37:58,150
after this and so destroy weights and

918
00:38:04,589 --> 00:38:01,180
measures and basically if you can't read

919
00:38:07,140 --> 00:38:04,599
it then if you complain then they have

920
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:07,150
to do something about us there are new

921
00:38:11,940 --> 00:38:09,970
laws from the a Triple C explain who

922
00:38:14,010 --> 00:38:11,950
they are and what they brought in with

923
00:38:16,260 --> 00:38:14,020
the a Triple C the Australian

924
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:16,270
Competition and Consumer Commission I

925
00:38:21,650 --> 00:38:17,770
hope that's right could be the other way

926
00:38:25,770 --> 00:38:21,660
around they're in control of basically

927
00:38:28,370 --> 00:38:25,780
consumer but consumer law so they look

928
00:38:31,170 --> 00:38:28,380
after misleading claims and fraud

929
00:38:34,020 --> 00:38:31,180
fraudulent claims but they also look

930
00:38:37,140 --> 00:38:34,030
after good sort of caused issues to

931
00:38:39,329 --> 00:38:37,150
consumers or services and on the first

932
00:38:43,410 --> 00:38:39,339
of January they change the laws in

933
00:38:46,740 --> 00:38:43,420
Australia and now it's the law that if

934
00:38:49,650 --> 00:38:46,750
you get a complaint from a customer who

935
00:38:51,780 --> 00:38:49,660
says your product injured me or made me

936
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:51,790
ill saying there could be cut me or

937
00:38:56,670 --> 00:38:54,490
maybe seek and I you went to a doctor or

938
00:38:59,250 --> 00:38:56,680
a hospital you legally have to tell the

939
00:39:01,530 --> 00:38:59,260
a Triple C and then the a triple fee

940
00:39:03,900 --> 00:39:01,540
will work out what should be done so if

941
00:39:05,670 --> 00:39:03,910
you don't know that and don't do that

942
00:39:08,220 --> 00:39:05,680
does that mean your complaints null and

943
00:39:10,140 --> 00:39:08,230
void partly yes if you're just sitting

944
00:39:12,690 --> 00:39:10,150
there and you think gee I'm sick from

945
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:12,700
this and you just do nothing about it

946
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:15,010
nothing will happen but if hearing the

947
00:39:19,859 --> 00:39:17,170
company and said I was so sick I had to

948
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:19,869
go in to my doctor and get pills or my

949
00:39:24,390 --> 00:39:21,930
son was ok to take him to hospital

950
00:39:27,690 --> 00:39:24,400
legally that company mustering the eight

951
00:39:30,809 --> 00:39:27,700
ball must email the a Triple C and you

952
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:30,819
think this is a good thing I I do i do

953
00:39:35,460 --> 00:39:33,010
it doesn't just apply to food this

954
00:39:37,589 --> 00:39:35,470
applies to all goods and services in

955
00:39:40,140 --> 00:39:37,599
Australia so this applies to you know

956
00:39:43,050 --> 00:39:40,150
houses and cars and underwear or

957
00:39:45,270 --> 00:39:43,060
whatever off or faulty goods has to be

958
00:39:46,980 --> 00:39:45,280
reported to say injure people so it's a

959
00:39:48,990 --> 00:39:46,990
more accurate way of gauging the damage

960
00:39:50,730 --> 00:39:49,000
the law has been changed to say

961
00:39:52,830 --> 00:39:50,740
the government will work out how bad it

962
00:39:54,270 --> 00:39:52,840
is is there something on imported food

963
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:54,280
that we should be looking out on the

964
00:39:57,660 --> 00:39:55,930
label and then putting it right back on

965
00:39:59,040 --> 00:39:57,670
the shelf or funny that what would fact

966
00:40:01,050 --> 00:39:59,050
you should do more than that there's one

967
00:40:02,910 --> 00:40:01,060
thing or just speaking about the a

968
00:40:06,690 --> 00:40:02,920
chapel see the a Triple C just did a

969
00:40:09,420 --> 00:40:06,700
recall recently on a product that had a

970
00:40:11,070 --> 00:40:09,430
band ingredient in it they've ingredient

971
00:40:13,140 --> 00:40:11,080
for those who are Iron Chef because it

972
00:40:15,270 --> 00:40:13,150
appears on that is a Japanese product

973
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:15,280
called konjac or that goes under some

974
00:40:20,460 --> 00:40:18,370
other names as well and a few years ago

975
00:40:22,530 --> 00:40:20,470
they caused some problems because it's a

976
00:40:25,110 --> 00:40:22,540
seat jelly and it's put in those jelly

977
00:40:28,380 --> 00:40:25,120
shot cups and what can happen because

978
00:40:29,790 --> 00:40:28,390
they're conical-shaped is if you suck it

979
00:40:31,590 --> 00:40:29,800
down the wrong way they'll stick in your

980
00:40:34,620 --> 00:40:31,600
throat and you can choke to death on it

981
00:40:37,890 --> 00:40:34,630
so what so is it what what sort of food

982
00:40:39,930 --> 00:40:37,900
product is it it's basically a Japanese

983
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:39,940
gel so instead of just sliding down your

984
00:40:43,830 --> 00:40:41,890
throat it sticks there it absolutely it

985
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:43,840
sticks there and literally plugs your

986
00:40:48,870 --> 00:40:46,930
throat so someone had any jelly related

987
00:40:50,550 --> 00:40:48,880
death if they have been this thing that

988
00:40:52,770 --> 00:40:50,560
jelly related death in Australia which

989
00:40:55,170 --> 00:40:52,780
is why they banned it I was a little kid

990
00:40:59,330 --> 00:40:55,180
or was it was a few years ago and

991
00:41:01,710 --> 00:40:59,340
because of that they banned it and some

992
00:41:03,870 --> 00:41:01,720
inadvertently got bought in and was

993
00:41:05,010 --> 00:41:03,880
found on the shelf ingredient movie we

994
00:41:07,290 --> 00:41:05,020
should be looking for how do you spell

995
00:41:12,570 --> 00:41:07,300
it ok it's build a couple of ways but

996
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:12,580
usually KO njaa see sometimes CJ AK as

997
00:41:16,380 --> 00:41:14,290
well do you guys get excited like

998
00:41:18,270 --> 00:41:16,390
whether men get excited about cyclones

999
00:41:19,530 --> 00:41:18,280
and that sort of thing do you guys do

1000
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:19,540
guys get a bit of you know a bit of a

1001
00:41:24,330 --> 00:41:21,610
food inspector stiffy if there's a

1002
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:24,340
recall or some big disaster he eat the

1003
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:28,930
e.coli ones all exciting for once it's

1004
00:41:32,220 --> 00:41:30,610
not us it's damn is having a problem

1005
00:41:33,870 --> 00:41:32,230
which is always good with someone else

1006
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:33,880
has the problem now you sure this isn't

1007
00:41:36,870 --> 00:41:35,170
something you know they genetic

1008
00:41:38,490 --> 00:41:36,880
modification gone wrong it's not your

1009
00:41:40,050 --> 00:41:38,500
Monsanto haven't put the needle in the

1010
00:41:42,540 --> 00:41:40,060
wrong end or something other well no

1011
00:41:45,060 --> 00:41:42,550
this is actually natural our genetic

1012
00:41:49,050 --> 00:41:45,070
modern mutations happen what happens is

1013
00:41:51,950 --> 00:41:49,060
an e coli has somehow got in contact

1014
00:41:55,770 --> 00:41:51,960
with another bug that dangerous and has

1015
00:41:58,530 --> 00:41:55,780
snapped the DNA out of it for producing

1016
00:41:58,870 --> 00:41:58,540
a poison so we've now got a new strain

1017
00:42:00,609 --> 00:41:58,880
that

1018
00:42:03,099 --> 00:42:00,619
capable of producing a poison and

1019
00:42:05,829 --> 00:42:03,109
killing people that's really cheery Gary

1020
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:05,839
mmm this happens all the time if we did

1021
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:07,970
go to an abattoir like the class of

1022
00:42:12,249 --> 00:42:09,890
children did in a Simpsons episode i

1023
00:42:13,359 --> 00:42:12,259
believe it was you go they go in one end

1024
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:13,369
and they come out the other end of the

1025
00:42:16,839 --> 00:42:15,650
abattoir pale and shaking is that what

1026
00:42:19,420 --> 00:42:16,849
would happen to the average layman if

1027
00:42:22,450 --> 00:42:19,430
they saw an actual abattoir from start

1028
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:22,460
to finish yes stepping in one word yes

1029
00:42:26,589 --> 00:42:24,890
mainly because of all the blood or we've

1030
00:42:28,509 --> 00:42:26,599
just got no idea how an animals

1031
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:28,519
slaughtered we've got no idea how an

1032
00:42:33,099 --> 00:42:30,650
animal slaughtered and and that would be

1033
00:42:35,470 --> 00:42:33,109
true of a whole lotta food processes if

1034
00:42:37,349 --> 00:42:35,480
you went into and this led you to have a

1035
00:42:40,180 --> 00:42:37,359
number of industries if you went into

1036
00:42:41,890 --> 00:42:40,190
pharmaceuticals or cosmetics or any

1037
00:42:44,289 --> 00:42:41,900
industry and you saw how things are

1038
00:42:45,999 --> 00:42:44,299
actually made industrially you'd be put

1039
00:42:49,420 --> 00:42:46,009
off them more particularly condoms

1040
00:42:51,579 --> 00:42:49,430
condom factories really stink yes they

1041
00:42:53,589 --> 00:42:51,589
do because it's all rubber in there I

1042
00:42:55,930 --> 00:42:53,599
believe chocolate factories are not

1043
00:42:58,690 --> 00:42:55,940
pleasant places either and I Phillip one

1044
00:43:00,970 --> 00:42:58,700
of those one I almost went for the

1045
00:43:02,710 --> 00:43:00,980
upchuck in was a sugar mill why was that

1046
00:43:04,870 --> 00:43:02,720
what was the smell was was at the

1047
00:43:09,579 --> 00:43:04,880
burning sugar what was going on uh it's

1048
00:43:11,859 --> 00:43:09,589
the cementing leftover waste really

1049
00:43:14,170 --> 00:43:11,869
reeks and they are this is I can I've

1050
00:43:16,779 --> 00:43:14,180
worked in networks and i found the smell

1051
00:43:18,549 --> 00:43:16,789
in a sugar mill was pretty vile i've got

1052
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:18,559
a few questions here from the

1053
00:43:22,269 --> 00:43:19,970
Twitterverse some people on Twitter

1054
00:43:25,089 --> 00:43:22,279
verse sent some stuff in yeah Catherine

1055
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:25,099
a wants to know how many foods on the

1056
00:43:30,370 --> 00:43:27,650
average would you inspect in the morning

1057
00:43:31,809 --> 00:43:30,380
more or less about 33 how many foods do

1058
00:43:35,740 --> 00:43:31,819
you get through a day inspecting I

1059
00:43:39,190 --> 00:43:35,750
normally go to a factory a day or two

1060
00:43:41,349 --> 00:43:39,200
factories a day so it depends how many

1061
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:41,359
are there to go into a big site you may

1062
00:43:46,089 --> 00:43:44,450
be looking at 30 to 40 but 33 is not a

1063
00:43:47,559 --> 00:43:46,099
bad number no no that's pretty accurate

1064
00:43:50,319 --> 00:43:47,569
because I mentioned that you are the man

1065
00:43:52,870 --> 00:43:50,329
who co-wrote the Australian salami code

1066
00:43:54,839 --> 00:43:52,880
here the small good skoda practice here

1067
00:43:56,980 --> 00:43:54,849
and of course they put you in direct

1068
00:43:59,620 --> 00:43:56,990
confrontation with Johnse dvorak who is

1069
00:44:02,109 --> 00:43:59,630
a man who enjoys the standard salami and

1070
00:44:04,150 --> 00:44:02,119
the raw milk both of which you not fans

1071
00:44:07,359 --> 00:44:04,160
of as I said he needs to shop around

1072
00:44:09,910 --> 00:44:07,369
it's out there if the salami is out

1073
00:44:11,799 --> 00:44:09,920
there absolutely i'm going to a salami

1074
00:44:14,530 --> 00:44:11,809
factor at this afternoon who makes a

1075
00:44:16,839 --> 00:44:14,540
proper salami in Sydney on a recent

1076
00:44:20,109 --> 00:44:16,849
episode of The Skeptical podcast quack

1077
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:20,119
cast he looked at raw milk and the

1078
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:22,490
subtitle was raw milk drink it and help

1079
00:44:25,870 --> 00:44:24,410
an intestinal disease doctor get their

1080
00:44:27,430 --> 00:44:25,880
children through college he was

1081
00:44:30,130 --> 00:44:27,440
basically saying that you know raw milk

1082
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:30,140
never ever it's too close to the bum of

1083
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:34,010
the cow let's see hmm you have a warm

1084
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:37,130
liquid filled with protein and fat and

1085
00:44:43,420 --> 00:44:40,970
sugars huh that would be a good growth

1086
00:44:46,770 --> 00:44:43,430
media for a bacteria if they could get

1087
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:46,780
access to the milk but that's impossible

1088
00:44:51,220 --> 00:44:48,890
proponents of raw milk point to the

1089
00:44:53,559 --> 00:44:51,230
clean cows and the clean environments

1090
00:44:57,220 --> 00:44:53,569
that produce raw milk but you cannot

1091
00:44:59,710 --> 00:44:57,230
deny both microbiology in gravity the

1092
00:45:01,299 --> 00:44:59,720
colons of cows are frequently colonized

1093
00:45:05,380 --> 00:45:01,309
with the aforementioned potential

1094
00:45:10,030 --> 00:45:05,390
pathogens in last I look the utter sits

1095
00:45:13,569 --> 00:45:10,040
just below the bovine anus just waiting

1096
00:45:16,900 --> 00:45:13,579
to be splashed by the poo as it falls to

1097
00:45:19,030 --> 00:45:16,910
the ground but seriously would you lick

1098
00:45:22,059 --> 00:45:19,040
a count letter no matter how clean you

1099
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:22,069
thought it was it's a great medium for

1100
00:45:25,390 --> 00:45:23,930
growing stuff but yeah John's

1101
00:45:27,609 --> 00:45:25,400
leederville wreck and adam curry are

1102
00:45:30,190 --> 00:45:27,619
both raw milk fans and think it should

1103
00:45:32,289 --> 00:45:30,200
be sold by a farmer to you if you want

1104
00:45:34,390 --> 00:45:32,299
it I agree with the doctor there's no

1105
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:34,400
way I'd be drinking raw milk so there

1106
00:45:37,539 --> 00:45:35,930
were millions and millions of years

1107
00:45:40,420 --> 00:45:37,549
without a bit of a drink from the the

1108
00:45:43,599 --> 00:45:40,430
cows honor yeah we used to all diet 35

1109
00:45:45,010 --> 00:45:43,609
to manor some of the reason we live

1110
00:45:47,620 --> 00:45:45,020
longer is because we don't do things

1111
00:45:49,630 --> 00:45:47,630
like drink raw milk especially in a city

1112
00:45:52,809 --> 00:45:49,640
look if I would grew up on a farm and I

1113
00:45:55,240 --> 00:45:52,819
was used to the e.coli bugs who are on

1114
00:45:57,910 --> 00:45:55,250
my farm that's fine that's for a city

1115
00:45:59,410 --> 00:45:57,920
person you know you don't have the

1116
00:46:01,720 --> 00:45:59,420
resistance to those sorts of things

1117
00:46:04,539 --> 00:46:01,730
there was a recent case where someone

1118
00:46:07,510 --> 00:46:04,549
snuck raw milk in in Australia they were

1119
00:46:10,569 --> 00:46:07,520
selling it as bathing milk one their

1120
00:46:13,569 --> 00:46:10,579
milk to bayesian and the Food Authority

1121
00:46:16,030 --> 00:46:13,579
jumped on them in a big way and pulled

1122
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:16,040
it off the market and we'll see what

1123
00:46:19,720 --> 00:46:17,450
happens further with that which is a

1124
00:46:21,309 --> 00:46:19,730
hint that may go to court I've got a few

1125
00:46:23,089 --> 00:46:21,319
new skeptical shows starting up on

1126
00:46:24,979 --> 00:46:23,099
Australian television we've got long

1127
00:46:26,269 --> 00:46:24,989
unbelievable of course and you'd be a

1128
00:46:28,519 --> 00:46:26,279
big fan of the Penn & Teller show

1129
00:46:32,509 --> 00:46:28,529
[\h__\h] in the States here is there

1130
00:46:33,890 --> 00:46:32,519
some you know urban myth or Mythbusters

1131
00:46:35,420 --> 00:46:33,900
thing that they should get on to about

1132
00:46:37,819 --> 00:46:35,430
food that they haven't that you'd like

1133
00:46:39,650 --> 00:46:37,829
to see done on television always spoke

1134
00:46:41,269 --> 00:46:39,660
previously the Mythbusters got it wrong

1135
00:46:43,370 --> 00:46:41,279
with you you got a problem with them

1136
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:43,380
Adam and Jamie like they're on your hit

1137
00:46:47,599 --> 00:46:45,930
list you go you go boo and if you see

1138
00:46:49,130 --> 00:46:47,609
the photos and could no no no that's not

1139
00:46:51,079 --> 00:46:49,140
true i just think when they did it one

1140
00:46:53,359 --> 00:46:51,089
incorrectly they didn't do their control

1141
00:46:55,339 --> 00:46:53,369
well enough and Jamie's even got a bit

1142
00:46:58,940 --> 00:46:55,349
of a you know facial hair like you Gary

1143
00:47:01,130 --> 00:46:58,950
yeah that's true that's true it's bit of

1144
00:47:02,539 --> 00:47:01,140
an icon a use a bit that way yeah I'm

1145
00:47:04,039 --> 00:47:02,549
look in fact you know he wouldn't be out

1146
00:47:06,349 --> 00:47:04,049
of place at a bear party would it really

1147
00:47:08,900 --> 00:47:06,359
I said that although he's a bit too buff

1148
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:08,910
I would think I don't know I have not

1149
00:47:13,069 --> 00:47:11,729
seen photos I haven't made i know i have

1150
00:47:16,130 --> 00:47:13,079
i've seen him in there in the rubber

1151
00:47:17,690 --> 00:47:16,140
latex outfits that's a true and you

1152
00:47:20,660 --> 00:47:17,700
gotta wonder how he knows to go there

1153
00:47:23,210 --> 00:47:20,670
we've seen San Francisco so what would

1154
00:47:27,109 --> 00:47:23,220
you like to see a skeptical experiment

1155
00:47:30,859 --> 00:47:27,119
on food research done on TV I would like

1156
00:47:34,039 --> 00:47:30,869
somebody to do full 15 ton but need to

1157
00:47:37,219 --> 00:47:34,049
see it on TV is the tasting nutrition of

1158
00:47:40,459 --> 00:47:37,229
organic food versus other food there's a

1159
00:47:42,709 --> 00:47:40,469
lot of anecdotal evidence that from both

1160
00:47:45,950 --> 00:47:42,719
industries that serve the other one

1161
00:47:47,809 --> 00:47:45,960
tastes better or taste the same and both

1162
00:47:50,749 --> 00:47:47,819
industries say the other ones more

1163
00:47:53,209 --> 00:47:50,759
nutritious and they asked scientific

1164
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:53,219
studies done but it's never been done in

1165
00:47:58,819 --> 00:47:55,890
a forum where the public have really got

1166
00:47:59,989 --> 00:47:58,829
access to it another sort of fat that's

1167
00:48:01,489 --> 00:47:59,999
been going around over the last couple

1168
00:48:04,219 --> 00:48:01,499
of years is the whole concept of the

1169
00:48:05,539 --> 00:48:04,229
locavore thing where you only eat food

1170
00:48:08,299 --> 00:48:05,549
from within a hundred or two hundred

1171
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:08,309
miles or a certain area of where you are

1172
00:48:12,859 --> 00:48:10,410
I think that would be very difficult to

1173
00:48:14,660 --> 00:48:12,869
do and have a balanced diet you could do

1174
00:48:17,509 --> 00:48:14,670
it in Sydney but you'd be competing with

1175
00:48:18,890 --> 00:48:17,519
a lot of other people only cuz a lot of

1176
00:48:21,289 --> 00:48:18,900
the food from Sydney still grow within

1177
00:48:24,620 --> 00:48:21,299
the Sydney basin so theoretically to do

1178
00:48:26,870 --> 00:48:24,630
it but it would be difficult if everyone

1179
00:48:29,089 --> 00:48:26,880
decided to do it and before we go Gary

1180
00:48:30,979 --> 00:48:29,099
let us know where we can find you and

1181
00:48:33,259 --> 00:48:30,989
are you happy to engage people in debate

1182
00:48:35,380 --> 00:48:33,269
about this kind of thing sure and in

1183
00:48:36,970 --> 00:48:35,390
fact I'm speaking at the stick

1184
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:36,980
in a couple of weeks are you going to

1185
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:39,410
speak before the food comes out or just

1186
00:48:43,539 --> 00:48:41,450
before the desert I mean that where you

1187
00:48:45,789 --> 00:48:43,549
speak in a meal is pretty crucial to

1188
00:48:48,220 --> 00:48:45,799
people enjoying the meal I don't know

1189
00:48:50,079 --> 00:48:48,230
the actual order of events and discuss

1190
00:48:53,109 --> 00:48:50,089
it before but I'd you got more details

1191
00:48:56,049 --> 00:48:53,119
about that the 25th yes yes they're

1192
00:48:57,519 --> 00:48:56,059
inviting a food person to talk about

1193
00:49:00,009 --> 00:48:57,529
food poisoning at their annual dinner

1194
00:49:02,019 --> 00:49:00,019
and I would suggest that people go up to

1195
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:02,029
you and ask questions that I can't ask

1196
00:49:05,559 --> 00:49:03,890
in a public forum like this and you love

1197
00:49:07,870 --> 00:49:05,569
answering them off the record don't you

1198
00:49:09,579 --> 00:49:07,880
oh yeah I'm happy I'm happy to talk /

1199
00:49:11,470 --> 00:49:09,589
don't give away a trade secret yeah I'm

1200
00:49:14,559 --> 00:49:11,480
happy to talk about this let's kill Gary

1201
00:49:16,029 --> 00:49:14,569
Kennedy where can we find you and your

1202
00:49:17,829 --> 00:49:16,039
work if we want to have a further

1203
00:49:21,009 --> 00:49:17,839
discussion with you you can check my

1204
00:49:22,420 --> 00:49:21,019
website correct food systems I'm on that

1205
00:49:25,269 --> 00:49:22,430
and look if we were going to get a sort

1206
00:49:27,039 --> 00:49:25,279
of a lobby group going to lobby for a

1207
00:49:29,859 --> 00:49:27,049
certain food what do you reckon it

1208
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:29,869
should be cauliflower you know Brussels

1209
00:49:34,569 --> 00:49:32,210
sprouts breakfast prep pad down but I

1210
00:49:36,339 --> 00:49:34,579
think it'd be hard pressed there what is

1211
00:49:39,309 --> 00:49:36,349
the food that really needs some

1212
00:49:40,990 --> 00:49:39,319
aggressive in the street poster sandwich

1213
00:49:42,759 --> 00:49:41,000
board marketing there are some

1214
00:49:46,990 --> 00:49:42,769
traditional foods we don't have anymore

1215
00:49:49,180 --> 00:49:47,000
Martin would be nice well the Indians

1216
00:49:51,700 --> 00:49:49,190
eated speak on the sub-continent but

1217
00:49:55,420 --> 00:49:51,710
here we can only sell lamb that's not

1218
00:49:56,859 --> 00:49:55,430
very exciting oh I mean I thought you're

1219
00:50:00,880 --> 00:49:56,869
going to give us something like oh we

1220
00:50:03,430 --> 00:50:00,890
need to eat more papaya no now i'm in a

1221
00:50:05,019 --> 00:50:03,440
meeting rich perfect that's the word on

1222
00:50:06,490 --> 00:50:05,029
the street Gary Kennedy thank you very

1223
00:50:09,220 --> 00:50:06,500
much for chatting to us and putting your

1224
00:50:33,890 --> 00:50:09,230
skeptical tongue over our food no

1225
00:50:41,060 --> 00:50:37,020
thank you for listening to what was once

1226
00:50:44,970 --> 00:50:41,070
again a mixed bag of a skeptic zone

1227
00:50:49,190 --> 00:50:44,980
everywhere from Scotland to anti-vaxxers

1228
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:49,200
to ear candles to food inspecting I

1229
00:50:54,690 --> 00:50:51,610
really have no idea what's going to come

1230
00:50:58,290 --> 00:50:54,700
up next week probably more the same that

1231
00:51:01,710 --> 00:50:58,300
is and everything and anything and even

1232
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:01,720
more we can only try and thank you for

1233
00:51:07,500 --> 00:51:05,290
listening and until then this is Richard

1234
00:51:14,100 --> 00:51:07,510
Saunders signing off from Sydney

1235
00:51:18,780 --> 00:51:14,110
Australia you've been listening to the

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00:51:22,620 --> 00:51:18,790
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